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Falin Whalen
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:09:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Aryth wrote:Yeah, the cost isn't balanced at all. These things will pay for itself (including waste) in the time a regular tower owner sleeps. It is one thing if a tower owner can reasonably find it in the time that it might equate to a loss for the placer greater than the profit gained. It is quite another if you can just mass spray them cross entire portions of EVE and be virtually assured of payback.
The cost should not be balanced at a few hours and probably should be set at at least 12-18 hours. Is that really reasonable to require every tower owner to check their tower 3 times a day? This is exactly why skill queues were implemented and that was far less of a burden.
Balance the cost much higher. 10m that gets returned in just 2-5 hours is silly and not remotely balanced and is only going to mean mass spraying across EVE and end up as spam more than interaction.
nice those bitter goon tears, please go on... Ah Harry Forever, confusing our tears of mirth with bitter tears. CCP is going to hand everyone the greatist griefing tool EVE has seen since remote doomsdays, and he thinks we are crying bitter tears. Seriously it's like we are Cassandra, blessed with the power of prophecy, yet cursed with no one believing our prophecy. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:28:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: If they were the features wouldn' be released in an abuseably broken manner.
But they aren't, and thus we can have fun.
GOON TEARRSSSSSSSSS
Curious, how do the goons plan on abusing this feature when the CFC holds most of the valuable moons? What are you gonna do, mass siphon N3? See if anyone cares, their moons don't hold a candle to yours. No one else has sufficiently large siphon-able assets.  This is gonna be FUN. You have all the peices, you just have to put them together. GOONNNN TEARRRSSSSSSSS!!!! You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:38:00 -
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Southern Kros wrote:Sure looks like goons issued a CTA to this dev blog.
Maybe they don't like the idea that their precious AFK moon mining will actually require them to stop ratting and get off their arse to manage them.
Who needs a CTA when, the major function of this thread is to point and laugh. I mean dumb pubbies whos mating call seems to be " Goon tears" and CCP rolling out a hilariously bad game mechanic, all that is left is for us to wait for a few months while the T2 market sharts it's jorts, who could resist. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
462
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:49:00 -
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Miner Hottie wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: Supposedly you can feed the horse salt, but in such cases it's more like rubbing salt on the wound
Funnily enough, in the 8th to 14th centuries salt was nearly as valuable as gold throughout Europe due to the fact that it was a limited resource which when fed to stock increased the animals size, the animals couldn't get enough salt from the land, hence it was mined in what is now Switzerland and traded down the Rhine an Danube rivers. Yeah, livestock need to get minerals and so on, usually delivered in what is called a mineral lick. Salt and other things are very important for growth and health. Not really relevant to these discussions, but fascinating history for sure. It is relevant, Highsec pubbies think that they are going to lick our salt, but we will rub it into their wounds instead. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:13:00 -
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Kropotkin wrote:Tiye Q wrote:Kismeteer wrote:MeBiatch wrote:this one mod is the single greatest anti-blue donut mechanic i have ever seen.
the fact that the large pos alliances are extreamly upset that they will actually have to monitor thier isk faucet makes me very happy. Sadly, we're also the ones that will benefit the most on the 'free isk' faucet of the increased cost of goo. And the reactions that will go up in price too. You'll just get higher t2 costs down the road. So sure, if you want to pay more for t2 stuff with no benefit, it's awesome for you. Not sure what I find more comical. The admission of a complaint in having to now monitor a passive source of income, or the fact that the CFC/GSF member also states they'll benefit financially, and yet somehow we're all supposed to believe that the CFC/GSF is raising the complaints and flaws in mechanics for the benefit of the greater good of EVE. Simply amazing. Whatever intellectual Kool-Aid you guys are serving to your rank and file, please make sure you patent the formula. Is clear enough: Goons are simply griefing here in the One True Universal Perpetual Meta-Game, Players vs Developers, in which Players try to have fun and Developers try to stop them. Goons use proposed changes -- especially poorly-thought-out changes -- to grief Developers.  We don't grief developers, we kindly and gently correct their misguided and idiotic gameplay development, with a two kilo sledgehammer upside the head that they so helpfully gave us. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:42:00 -
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Zakhin Desver wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:We don't grief developers, we kindly and gently correct their misguided and idiotic gameplay development, with a two kilo sledgehammer upside the head that they so helpfully gave us. In other words, you are telling developers how they should manage their own game. Amazing, one day Goons will be the CEOs of CCP No, you have it wrong, We tell developers that some of the ideas that they have are hugely exploitable by those who have figured out the mechanics behind them. If they don't head our words and implement it anyway...well we have no choice but to exploit the hell out of the new feature to our advantage. Untill CCP gets wise and patches out the imbalanced, broken, mechanic to be more ballanced and less broken.
See, by being utter rat bastards, and exploiting/taking advantage of broken mechanics/features, we make the game more ballanced and less exploitable by all.
You are welcome. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:36:00 -
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Highsec pubbie dreams are going to go HORRIBLY RIGHT. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:44:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:"You won't really use these to grief people." is basically a triple dog dare.
You don't understand, WE are not supposed to use these to grief others, others are supposed to use this on Goons to grief us, because we are big meanies and bad people, and have all the moons and we won't share. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:54:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Lessons learned
GÇóShooting at stationary structures is boring
GÇóWaking up every morning and having to clean up the mess made while you were asleep is boring
GùªSee: station ping-pong pre-sov, repairing station services. Having to do something tedious every day before you can actually play the game is not cool
GÇóMaking something tedious will not stop players doing it if it's very clearly the best option. They'll do it, and they'll hate it
GùªSee: everything involving starbases.
From this Dev Blog.
Apparently they have forgotten the lessons learned. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:18:00 -
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My take on the API giving "false" information. It is a bad mechanic.
A POS manger uses the API to manage POS, he is looking at the information that the API is sending him and satisfied goes and does something fun, rather than sitting there micro manageing POS. If he notices somthing amiss, he is not "AFK" he can deal with the problem. With this "mechanic" he is not going to have time to do something fun, he is having to tediously check each POS.
I don't know about anybody else but I play this GAME to have fun, it is not supposed to be a tedious, second job simulator. TBH I don't own a POS because I don't want to have a second job in EVE. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:21:00 -
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Herr Esiq wrote:It would be tedious if i see my sihphon units removed constantly.. Then the POS owner isn't AFK, and you should find a POS owner that is. QED You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:38:00 -
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Herr Esiq wrote:The API gives out way too much information already, and i'll give credit where credit is due; players really REALLY went out of their way to create tools to monitor empty regions of space through IT development.
If the API would tell the truth, there still wont be any incentive to check on the POS how its holding up except for the calendar route that was previously planned.
Maybe it shouldnt lie and remove that part of the API completely.. Then give us a reason to use the awful trusec system that the moon is in, besides renting it out under usufruct. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:21:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Holy cocks, i forgot all about that Greyscale quote. Nice grab. 21 Jun 2011, never forgive, never forget. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.22 17:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:HmmGǪ 30 pages of questions and worries and no additional dev response.  Maybe, they are going, "We should probably rethink this?" but who am I kidding it's CCP. They are like, "Release it as is, we'll deal with how unbalanced/broken it is in a point release SOON(tm)." You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.23 02:22:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Lessons learned
Shooting at stationary structures is boring
Waking up every morning and having to clean up the mess made while you were asleep is boring
See: station ping-pong pre-sov, repairing station services. Having to do something tedious every day before you can actually play the game is not cool
Making something tedious will not stop players doing it if it's very clearly the best option. They'll do it, and they'll hate it
See: everything involving starbases. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2013.10.23 15:20:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:CCP, if you're making Goonswarm this angry, you must be doing something right. Please continue.
These Siphons should encourage people who run moon mining operations to be active in their space. I hope to see more capabilities against passive income streams in the future. Will I be able to deploy a hacker module and steal researching BPOs next? If by "angry," you mean fabulously wealthy, then yes, please continue with this. You do realize that by making 10-20% of moongoo go poof, you raise the price of moongoo. If we hold the majority of good moons, where does the majority of the money go to buy the moongoo? That is right, right into our pockets. What do we care that a few pennies are stolen, here and there, from our money vault, by those that will actually get to steal some moongoo from us.
Please continue to bleat, "Goon Tears," as you continue to shove money into our pockets You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.23 15:56:00 -
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Zakhin Desver wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Andrea Griffin wrote:CCP, if you're making Goonswarm this angry, you must be doing something right. Please continue.
These Siphons should encourage people who run moon mining operations to be active in their space. I hope to see more capabilities against passive income streams in the future. Will I be able to deploy a hacker module and steal researching BPOs next? If by "angry," you mean fabulously wealthy, then yes, please continue with this. You do realize that by making 10-20% of moongoo go poof, you raise the price of moongoo. If we hold the majority of good moons, where does the majority of the money go to buy the moongoo? That is right, right into our pockets. What do we care that a few pennies are stolen, here and there, from our money vault, by those that will actually get to steal some moongoo from us. Please continue to bleat, "Goon Tears," as you continue to shove money into our pockets That's correct if we assume you will be the only ones not being affected by the theft of resources. To achieve such thing, you should have patrols at all times, which reduces the number of effectives to do real PVP, therefore other alliances can take advantage of your greed for moongoo. The term is "overstretching", you can't attack and defend everything at the same time. Let's just say that we are in a better position to do just that, than everyone else. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:04:00 -
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Please CCP, don't throw us in that there briar patch. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:34:00 -
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Frothgar wrote:Wrecked Angle wrote:Frothgar wrote:
You can't tell me that an alliance based on "Harvesting Pubbie Tears" won't be stolen from by its own members.
You can't tell me that every moongoo holding alliance isn't going to have the same problem. There is no recruitment policy that keeps you safe.
Tell you what, how about we do a preemptive experiment.
You guys set all moons and the corperate wallets to full access, and lets see how far the "Bro code" gets you.
Crikey yes, you're right! I can see PL and N3 burning spies all over to run off with ~1000m3 of (not so) precious moon goo as well..  I don't think you quite understand. You enemies will always drop siphons, your own members will be taking from them consequence free. Hmmm. Go around hauling thousands of m3 for a little ISK when I finally ship it to Jita to sell, shoot a siphon and get a bounty for each one that I destroy API verified, or shoot red crosses and get ISK every twenty min? Gee, I'm stummped on this one guys, help me out here. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.27 03:14:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: Can I claim the Goon offered spyhon bounties, it will more likely pay better than anchoring them.  For a small security deposit, I can get you in on those Goon siphon bounties. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.27 13:54:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Frothgar wrote:So tell me, what incentive does Joe Schmoe have to pop a syphon, when it lets him take a resource his alliance was never going to share with him in the first place. Why am I not surprised a TriumvirateDOT guy is posting this? Why am I not surprised a Goonswarm FEDERATION guy is trying to make some Ad Hominem attack? First of all, no one gives a sh it what kind of fancy-pants Latin name an insult qualifies as. Secondly, in this case, it's entirely based on fact--Triumvirate was, like the original NC and others, corrupt and financially opaque. If you'd like to submit that Goonswarm Federation is "just as bad" you'll have to somehow get rid of our API-based finance spreadsheets that are public and convince everyone that we don't make money so that people can have fun. I'm sure you'll do a good job of that Marlona, just like you've done a good job convincing me that the siphons are not in fact going to be used precisely as every GSF/CFC/reasonably intelligent person in this thread has said. The fact you guys rely so heavily on API is why you guys are furious about having to actually have eyes out in your space to watch for the siphons. What can I say, but perhaps you guys should undock and go check them on your own initiative instead of waiting for some API finance team telling you what to do. Free will bro. Embrace it.  Why yes, I too want to have a second job managing my POS after I get off work. Thank you for more tedious work that I have to do. FREE WILL!!! You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:54:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:TL;DR of the last 60 pages:
CFC doesn't like it when people can steal their moon goo. :shocking: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
You haven't read the last ~60 pages then. The perpetually dim, such as yourself, are bleating, "Goon tears." Actual Goons are stating that this is the greatest griefing tool since remote doomsdays. 10% of moongoo will go poof raising moongoo prices, and since we have the largest player base in null, and most of the best moons(and largest stockpile of moongoo as well), we stand to gain the most from this little wonder toy than anybody else. What do we care that a few people will actually steal a few pennies from our pocket, when millions will flow into our pockets daily, from the very people bleating about "Goon tears."
Please continue to bleat, "Goon tears," while you line our pockets with ISK when you buy anything T2. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
493
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:28:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent. On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything. Cognitive dissonance much?  "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks. " -General "Buck" Turgidson You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.09 22:11:00 -
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Verdis deMosays wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:Verdis deMosays wrote:As a member of a small null alliance I love these changes. The siphons are an interesting idea and will be something I deploy on a regular basis with my Prowler. I think this will make for a lot more productive time gate camping too, since cloaky haulers will be in and out of null on a more regular basis to check on their little autonomous thieves. Also the Goon response has been priceless. Here's my reaction to it. http://www.ghostofthefuture.com/images/Ani2/UnfathomableSadness.gif Seeing as goons message has consistently been "this is OP we will abuse it till it is nerfed and it will be the little guys that get screwed" I think you will find that goons = Cartman in that image. Assuming you trust the opinion of the goonswarm, who have consistently shown themselves as an exploitive economic coalition. Honestly, if they are raising hell about how OP and unfair this is its a good sign to me that the existence of this item really worries them. The 74 pages of goon tears are pretty much proof of that. Assuming that CCP doesn't cave to the cries of the goons who control the majority of the moons worth anything I think the siphon will be a nice piratical way to break their hold on the T2 market. And before any goons or alts thereof start debating me on that, I'll just remind people of Hulkageddon and that time of GoonFun. Do we exploit economic opportunities? YES
Is this thing OP and unfair? YES
Are we worried about Syphons? NO
Have we been crying bitter tears over this? HELL ******* NO! We are laughing our buts off over how these will screw the little guy over a barrel.
If anything these things will tighten our grip on the T2 market. The money is still going to the ones with the most and best moons ( us ), the largest stockpiles of moon goo ( still us ), and the largest manpower pool to implement the greatist griefing campaign in history ( oh hey us again ). You seem to confuse our tears of mirth, with those of rage. |
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